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  • in reply to: Sabre hull repairers in Melbourne metro #7847
    melva9954009412
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    Peter
    Try Phil Johnson in Moorabbin 9557 8677
    or
    Steve Douglas (yachtworks) in Mordialloc 9580 6328

    in reply to: 41 rules #7591
    melva9954009412
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    As posted in a couple of places in this forum, all 41 rules were passed by special general meeting on 30 Nov 2013 and categorically take effect on 1 Feb 2014.
    Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformatiom emanating from WA re what did or did not happen at the AGM. All National Office bearers confirm and understand this.
    Just to reitterate, the AGM was not a ratification or discussion forum for the rules that were already passed by the State Associations.
    You will appreciate that there is a bit of work converting documentation from the proposals format into the Building and Construction Notes. The work has started and I expect to publish on the website once George Solonari our webmaster returns from overseas.
    Barry Eastgate
    National Secretary

    in reply to: What new rules were passed at the AGM? #7590
    melva9954009412
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    Please see my comments in response to your query under “Rigs and Sails”
    No rule amendments or proposals were put to the 2013 AGM, so nothing passed.
    One new amendment was proposed for voting at the agm but was not discussed or voted on.
    41 rule changes were already passed by the 30 Nov 13 Special General Meeting and take effect from 1 Feb 14.
    Barry Eastgate
    National Secretary

    in reply to: Outhual – New rules #7586
    melva9954009412
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    As advised on the main page of the website, all 41 proposals (the so called ‘new rules’) were passed by the State Associations by postal vote on 30 Nov 2013 per a properly constituted Special General Meeting. The date advised that these rules would come into in effect is 1 Feb 2014.
    There is some confusion around the Perth Nationals AGM resulting from a long dissertation from Brett Young regarding bow section measurements which were not covered or even contemplated in the 41 new rules.
    I was unable to attend the nationals at the last minute so it was difficult for new national office bearers to be 100% sure of some pertinent facts and therefore took a conciliatory and cautious approach.
    New National Measurer, Nick Mouat has taken the sensible approach of letting Brett in particular and any other professional builder to make suggestions in writing that will safeguard the current shape and boats already in existence from any possible radical changes.
    I should point out that every professional builder, including YMS were invited in late 2012 to provide input re the 41 proposals (i can provide proof of the email requests if any one doubts this). Not a single builder provided any response, although some did acknowledge that they would not be responding). I made comment on this at the 2012 AGM.
    Unfortunately, a crucial motion which was supposed to be voted on at the Perth AGM was deferred due to some of the distractions that apparently occurred. This means that one and possibly 2 existing moulds will not measure at new station 4 when the new rules take effect 1 Feb 2014. A Special General Meeting to be voted by post will be called shortly to rectify this unfortunate situation.
    Nick will discuss the written submissions from builders with State Measurers in early March and will submit any new rules/amendments for vote.
    So to be clear, the 41 amendments passed on 30 Nov 2013 still come into effect on 1 Feb 2014.
    Nothing discussed at the 2013 Perth AGM effect those rules unless future amendments are proposed.
    Barry Eastgate

    National Secretary

    in reply to: 2013 Review of Sabre rules #7550
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    Greg is under the misunderstanding that there is a ‘master’ mould that has in some way been either approved or ‘licensed by the association.
    There has never been a master mould. Builders build their own moulds. It is a fallacy to think that all existing frp boats are the same shape. Each builder has a slightly different shape but they all measure. It should be remenbered that the Sabre was originally designed for timber amateur construction, hence the tolerances.
    Most moulds have been taken from successful timber boats.
    E.G. the YMS mould was taken from multiple national and Vic champion Wayne Bates timber boat. That boat was one of the many successful timber boats built by Ray Eade. Similarly, the Formula sailcraft mould comes from a plug built by Phillip Johnson (ex long time national Measurer) and is quite different to the YMS shape.

    Bottom line is that the mould is a red herring and irrelevant…the boat i.e. the output is what MUST Measure.
    Proposal 42 is only intended to make it quite clear that existing FRP boats and foils built in the past 20 years are clearly legal…nothing will change and it is a complete furphy to say some sort super boat will be produced as a result. Good luck to anyone who can do it and still be on min weight and actually measure.
    There has never been a legally ‘licenced’ (as defined in the current rules) Sabre builder

    I can also tell you that with all but NSW and 1 Qld delegate, also voting has been received and proposal 42 will be over whelmingly passed.
    I dont intend to continue the debate.
    Barry Eastgate
    National Secretary

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