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Sika is great but the white marine sika tends to discolour. I have been told to use “actetic cure silicone” for white sealant. The black sika should be good for the black Servo cleats. Mask the job though. the sika can get very messy.
How thick are the stiffeners?To get a light and stiff boat it seems to be accepted that only the lightest timbers can be used so more stiffening can be added. Minimising glue and trimming excess timber where ever possible seems to be the norm. I have never built a ply sabre. I am only going on anecdotal evidence. Someone that is in the know tells me that the sort of ply needed to achieve best results is virtually impossible to get in this country.
CraigNot sure about West 311 but 411 is a West Systems filler additive. I guess there was a typo.
John. If the proposed sabre charter passes in its current form you will be able to ask the measurer nicely and a small error will be passed as long as it is considered no advantage. I usually find a carton of beer helps get things done.As long as the correct controls are in place anything that could make a Sabre more affordable is going to be beneficial for the class.
Has anyone else got anything to say on this? The more people that get involved in this discussion the better.Susan. Thanks for your input.
I agree that Part 8 of this charter should be left to measurement details but is probably appropriate as it is only for a limited but undefined time. It could easily become permanent if no other set of rules are voted on and passed. This point should be a major consideration when deciding your final vote.
The idea of who can be a builder being based on income is absurd. Consider my friend who builds boats for for a living. He is a boilermaker, never used fibreglass in his life and has rarely stepped foot on to a yacht but by definition of the rules he can build an FRP Sabre!
I agree that there needs to be control over the building of FRP Sabres but needs to be based more around design and construction rather than who can build. Licensing is something best left to 420s and Lasers.
I also agree with your point 4 but is dealing with another part of the proposed charter. I think it is wise to discuss each part seperately otherwise this discussion will become very convoluted.It’s all about the load ratings. Dont forget to consider the trolley and all the other gear that may be on the roof. Make sure they are good quality racks. I know a guy who took a Cherub from WA to Victoria on his roof rack and they are heavier with more windage than a Sabre.
Some of the brands of roof racks out there cost nearly as much as a Barina. I have seen some good quality reasonable priced ones out there though.
Is the Barina roof wide enough to fit a Sabre on?
Sabre on top of a Barina would be impressive to see. Make sure you post a photo if manage to do it.
CraigRichard,
There was alot of bitching going on as well as a lot of legitimate concerns. The worst bit that I found is that the main issue does not seem to be resolved.
Lets hope the new rules get written up well and remove some of the grey areas that were open to a lot of personal interpretation.Craig
Thanks Guestmember. You just gave some good ideas.
To emulate a ply boat as much as possible would be to make a mould from a ply boat. As this is best possible way to emulate the shape this is how it must be done.
I doubt anyone could disagree with me on this one.
Craig
Daen- The general consensus is that the new FS boat is not anything radical and from what I have heard I tend to agree with this idea. I am not trying to get this boat out-lawed. What I think is this new method of deciding what emulates a ply boat is open to interpretation and personal opinion. It is the minor progressions and tweaks that will slowly evlove from this new interpretation that I have concerns with. Up to this point all the progressions and tweaks have already been done and have pretty much elvolved the class to a relatively standard shape.
Let’s consider the following hypothetical idea for a bit. A rule passed that a mould can only be made from a real ply boat that has been registred for 1 year(or similar rule). This would likely achieve 4 main things. 1) Promote ply boat building. 2)Prove that the boat was not radically different and potentially detrimental to the class. 3) Quell any ideas that it does not emulate a ply boat as much as possible. 4) Remove any leeway for change in interpretation of what emulates a ply boat.
How could this be a bad thing?Guestmember,
I will spell it out one more time just for you. I know the new FS measures. I have stated this several times. The rules do not specifically say this and this is entirely the point. I have even said that I doubt the new FS will be faster.
My problem is with the latest interpretation and what will happen with further developments using this interpretation.
Ashley. There has been no recent rule changes to the design of the sabre only a change in interpretation of what emulates a ply boat. In the past (as far as I know) all moulds were taken off ply boats therefore ensuring they “emulated” a ply boat. This new FS boat (I understand) has been moulded from a plug not made in the same way as the building notes states that ply boats must be built. It is this building method that has kept the shape of the Sabre in check and helped the class to what it is today. Removing this requirement for fibreglass boat will likely make current glass boats and all ply boats obsolete. It may work out fine but why risk it when a simple and minor change will ensure this will not happen.
The national measurer decided that the FS measured within the rules and it emulated a ply boat. It appears to me he made the decision that it emulates by first looking at it and later by means of a thin strip of ply.
It is the many future New fibreglass moulds I am concerned with not the latest FS boat.Craig.
