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July 20, 2014 at 10:20 am #6307
ashleighholcomb
ParticipantHi Guy’s. Can anyone tell me which is the faster boat in up to 12knots of wind, Laser or Sabre? Thanks.
July 21, 2014 at 12:29 am #7715rusty36r295898
ParticipantDepends on a variety of factors, such as rig (standard, radial, 4.7), crew weight, crew skill, conditions (wind, waves etc.) Generally a Sabre would be slightly slower than a Radial, a bit quicker than a 4.7 and a fair bit slower than a full rig.
Speed is only part of the equation though. Sabres are a lot lighter so feel quite fast, they have good fleets and good racing, and they are an awful lot more comfortable to sail than a Laser
The question you should really be asking is which is more fun, but we might be a bit biased on that one
July 21, 2014 at 7:39 am #7716ashleighholcomb
ParticipantThanks Michael. My situation is club racing a Sabre in a mixed fleet of mostly Lasers so I am just curious as to how competitive a Sabre would be in under 12 knots without being embarrassed by a lack of speed. 😉
July 23, 2014 at 3:12 pm #7717nhanmimatgiare
Participantcurrent VYC Yardstick has Sabre at 127
Laser standard rig at 113
Laser Radial at 116
Laser 4.7 at 122July 23, 2014 at 6:46 pm #7718ashleighholcomb
ParticipantThanks Snodge. Thats interesting although a Sabre sail is .5 sqm smaller than a Laser full rig it is slower than a 4.7? A Sabre hull apparently is lighter than a Laser hull so shouldn’t this help or does it come down to old fashion skipper skill?
July 24, 2014 at 6:32 am #7719rusty36r295898
Participant@waynet wrote:
a Sabre sail is .5 sqm smaller than a Laser full rig it is slower than a 4.7? A Sabre hull apparently is lighter than a Laser hull so shouldn’t this help or does it come down to old fashion skipper skill?
Mainly comes down to efficiency in design
July 25, 2014 at 8:32 am #7720nhanmimatgiare
ParticipantI think you will find it comes down to hull length being the dominant ratio ( Laser being 14ft vs Sabre 12ft) As neither the Laser or Sabre plane upwind at their best VMGs (or if your not Tom Slingsby) their course speed is very much dictated by their hull speed….which means longer = faster. “Hull speed” of a Sabre would be close to 5 knots.
As far as design efficiency goes I would imagine the Sabre is more efficient in planning mode, reaching with the chines enabling a cleaner plane but the other points of sail the Laser would be more efficient.
Thats not to say the Laser is a nicer boat to sail than a Sabre…. it steers like a truck with that silly raked rudder blade!
If you want to sail for fun and enjoyment and not sheep stations the Sabre is a better choice.July 26, 2014 at 1:40 am #7721ashleighholcomb
ParticipantThanks Snodge, a good informative reply. I am beginning to better understand the differences between a Sabre & Laser. Water length obviously is a key issue.
July 26, 2014 at 5:00 am #7722nangmuithammy
ParticipantUsing a sailmaking software to get the areas i find the
Sabre is 6.5 sqmtrs
laser 4.7 is 6.2 sqmtrs
full laser is 8.75 sqmtrsJuly 26, 2014 at 6:27 am #7723ashleighholcomb
Participant@steved wrote:
Using a sailmaking software to get the areas i find the
Sabre is 6.5 sqmtrs
laser 4.7 is 6.2 sqmtrs
full laser is 8.75 sqmtrsThe Laser International site has the Laser Standard rig at 7.06 sqm
July 26, 2014 at 7:31 am #7724nangmuithammy
ParticipantAll i am doing is pointing out the sabre has the same sail area of a laser 4.7
and the full is 35% bigger not .5 sqmtr
the figures i used are
laser full rig l 5130 f 2740 le 5570 1/2 1720 3/4 965
laser 4,7 l 4085 f 2480 le 4540 1/2 1500 3/3 835
the areas i use are a 3d area not 2d area -
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